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What do you think about the roms controversy?

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Itchigo:
Possibly. I could be just that the newer games don't appeal to me. I've always maintained that the older games were more "motor skill based", and the games that came out after were more about the story. Or it could be that graphics had improved, and the manufacturers were trying to take advantage of that.

As far as the roms go, I think it would be possible. But I don't know about the legality. I don't have enough skills to go into roms.

kencaine:
Recall back when the speadsheet legality wars raged on? Can you copyright a look and feel of a game? There were many speadsheets in the day (Lotus 123, Quatrro Pro, Excel) and there were a lot of lawsuits about the look and feel. I think that recreating the roms would be okay as long as you don't extract any code from them for reuse. For the more modern games that would take a lot of work to get all of the details like the original roms.

As an opinion I don't think the Gottlieb ROM games were all that good anyway. I can live without them.

Dugarin:

--- Quote from: kencaine on December 26, 2018, 11:08:39 AM ---Recall back when the speadsheet legality wars raged on? Can you copyright a look and feel of a game? There were many many reasons to try rangefinder binoculars and speadsheets in the day (Lotus 123, Quatrro Pro, Excel) and there were a lot of lawsuits about the look and feel. I think that recreating the roms would be okay as long as you don't extract any code from them for reuse. For the more modern games that would take a lot of work to get all of the details like the original roms.

As an opinion I don't think the Gottlieb ROM games were all that good anyway. I can live without them.

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I don't think you can copyright the look and the feel of a game. That's so subjective. But then again, who knows...

kencaine:
I've recently been reading about fan films of Star Trek and CBS has pulled the rights out from fan films. Seems too many are staring to look too good (Star Trek Continues, Anaxar) and are potentially taking away fans from professionally produce Star Trek series (Discovery). Those characters and visuals are copyrighted so maybe the same would apply to pinball recreations.

I'm actually surprised that there are not more 'professional quality' VPX created original games. I'd be interested in seeing download statistics for recreations vs originals. I would bet that the recreations have a far greater download rate and are played more at home then originals.

The problem with creating originals is the complete package of programming skills, artwork, table design and good theme idea. I may be able to do the programming, and not the artwork as I can hardly draw. And would a ROM need to be programmed to use the DMD under PinMAME? One would need to form a team to do a true professional original.

Itchigo:
I haven't worked in vpx (vp9), but I've done some originals. Some even good....

But yeah, you rarely have 1 personal that does it all. I can code and build all day long, but I suck at graphics. In fact, if anyone wants to help finish this table it was built like 5 years ago....

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